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You're my anchor. Oh, she got it in, she got
it in. She got it in. She's winning by the way.

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It's lovely to see the both of you. I love
when we get a story from like your childhood

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that just kind of makes you feel more warm and
fuzzy inside, that familiarity. You two

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together as well, I know you've. Worked
together before, how easy was it to be that

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mean to each other? Not, not easy for me at
all. I mean she's literally one of my favorite

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people on the planet. We've known each other
for over 20 years. Um uh she's one of my best

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friends and we had to play enemies. uh and,
and the, the, the big moment for me was this

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moment where there's a scene, she's throwing
up over the side of the boat, I come in, I

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accost her and I'm bellowing at her. Um, you
know, in the midst of this wind and it's a

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storm and there's a whole thing, and we, we
did the rehearsal. And I had to sort of take

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myself away because I was so thrown by looking
at one of my best friend's faces and

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being so mean and I I I I, my, my brain was
sort of melting going oh Hayley,

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um while while shouting at her in this
Jamaican accent and holding her down with the

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crutch and the wind is going and she's leaning
over the and I'm. All I wanted to do was kind

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of pull her in from the side of the boat. So I
had to go and take myself to the side and go,

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that is not Hayley, that is Bess Hawkins. You
are not doing your job very well at the moment.

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She would want this, she would want this for
you. Um, so, um, so I came back and it was, it

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was kind of OK, but yeah I've never had that
before professionally. I've never had a moment.

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I've worked with friends before, but I, I, you
know, I'm just not. A situation where I had to

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go, I'm being bad in the scene because of the
relationship I have with this person off screen.

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So anyway, that was, that was pretty tough for
me. It never showed though, it never showed

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that that the chat, no, because in my mind
what was happening is what was really hard for

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me is when he was so menacing and terrifying
internally I was

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going, oh wow that's fantastic. So I wanted to
be like. So I, so I had to be

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scared, but I was equally going that's. I was
like I've never seen you like this before.

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This is amazing. You've transformed. So I had
to sort of hold that in. But I think that the

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also the challenge is that one of my favorite
things to do in my life in the world ever is

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make David laugh. It's the most wonderful
feeling and I love, we did a lot in between

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takes. And there's also when we were doing the
photo approvals of sort of like on set, you

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know, behind stills. There's one, and I'm sure
I'm just telling, repeating that same story I

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told you from 20 years ago, and his face has
just lost it and I'm just going. I

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And it sort of it captures our friendship. So
it feels very different playing different

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different characters like this. But then also
for me, I think because there is that trust

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there we could go harder with each other
probably because the ice was. That broken, you

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know, and I know, I know David's heart. 20
years. I had no idea there was this kind of

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friendship. Like I knew you'd worked together.
I didn't know that you were so close. Yeah,

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yeah. Both David and his wife are very
important people in my life, um, and the

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mentorship that they both give me in terms of
navigating this industry as a woman and as a,

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as a friend, as a human being, uh, you know,
the, the care that they have shown me and

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continue to show me really. Helps to ground me
in the way that I am in the world, you know,

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he's um, you're my anchor. Oh, she got it in,
she got it in, she got it in. She's

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winning by the way, with the with the amount
I'm trying to get as many puns in love that,

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love that. It makes these things a lot easier,
doesn't it. It can be a lot. Yeah, not when

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you're losing, which I currently am, by the
way, yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you like that? I, I,

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it was a very genuine compliment followed by
it. Well done. I hope you win. I hope you win

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by the end of the day. In the same way though
that David, you, I know, have wanted to do this

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role since you were a kid, right? Like it's
been that role. Hayley, have you got a role

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that you've always wanted to do since you were
a kid? No, because I want to do them all.

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There's not one. I think there's, I think that
there is a for me I kind of over time I think

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there has been a running theme about a
character who is trying to overcome or break

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through something or begins with a feeling of
sort of trapped in some way and seek some sort

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of uh release of that or freedom. That seems
to be a thing that I'm sort of naturally drawn

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to, um, and I wonder if that's, um, what that
says. But I've also watched her in our very

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long running friendship go from saying I'm old
. Yes, but, um, uh also that we're old friends.

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Um, um, and I've watched her have aspirations
towards a certain archetype

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of woman that. I think early on in her career
felt inaccessible to her as a, as a younger

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woman, as a, as a beautiful woman, as someone
who our industry tends to not afford that

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kind of agency and opportunity. And I remember
many years ago, yes, we're old, um, us walking

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through a park in New York, and I remember you
talking about the kind of roles you would want

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to play, but just feeling like they were. Are
they, are they even going to be accessible? Am

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I going to have to create them? And she
created Bess Hawkins to a certain extent. Yes,

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Robert Murphy had put uh um um sort of
framework on the page, but so much, you know,

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the fighting in it, the agency she has um in
it as a, as a character, the, the.

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Disposition she has. There are lines that you
know, just have a spin to them that in in the

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way that she does it that took me back to that
conversation we had had back in the day and I

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went, my gosh, she is living the thing that
she was hoping for back then and that to me was

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also one of the beautiful things about getting
to do this job. Thank you. Do you, did you, um,

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do you know about my homage to Cher? No. In,
in the, in the show. When, when, when is that,

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is that we got a Robert Murphy and I sort of
reworked this, this kind of moment and I, I, I

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quoted chair and he went, OK. Uh, so it's not
exactly the chair's quote, of course, but Um,

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I'm asked at one point, you know, I talk about
my ambitions and what I want my life to be like,

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and so the character opposite me says, oh, so
well, in order to do that, you, you want to

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marry a rich man, and I say, no, no, I want to
be a rich man. And I had remembered

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Cher had said something similar about I am a
rich man. Like I've, I have been the thing that

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my mother told me I should marry and, um, and
I, I felt that was something so sort of made

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true to, to me as a, as a person, as an actor,
um, but also for Bess. You really feel it when

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you say that line. I didn't know it had that
backstory. I heard it and it stuck with me, but

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I didn't realize. It was a a share of
preference, but also today seeing like your

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friendship and learning more about it and
seeing the way that you look at each each other

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when you're talking about each other is so
sweet. It's so lovely to get those little

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insights. So thank you for sharing because
it's really lovely and good luck. Good luck

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with this guys. Thank you.