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commenters are so mad. They're like more ad reads. I'm like, please do those later. It's
fine. Uh, Sam, I want to talk about the White Sox first. he said, um, because you are a tried
and true diehard. I was so excited when we first spoke to know that not only are you
passionate about the game, but you are passionate about a team that has a long and
storied history and does not get discussed enough, and when they do, they get mocked
because of last season and they probably don't deserve that label. So, uh, before we get into
the modern game and and sort of the trending news this week. How did, you know, what's the
origin point for your White Sox fandom? Were you like right in the sweet spot of that '05
title, too young to appreciate it, or it meant the world to you? I mean, it, it feels like
maybe you caught them at the right time. Yeah, well, look, anybody who, uh, is in Chicago and
is a White Sox fan, especially in recent years , they didn't choose this life, Adam, this life
chose them, you know, like it's inevitable, right? I, I would love to be going to Wrigley
Field and have a passion for the Cubs, but instead, it's a passionate disdain for the
Chicago Cubs because it, it runs in the blood. I, uh, you know, it actually starts for me with
my grandfather who, you know, grew up in West Virginia, and he used to have have a handheld
radio, uh, in West Virginia when he was a little boy that he could tune to Chicago White
Sox games, believe it or not, on the radio. And so he started listening to the White Sox
and, you know, fell in love with the White Sox from a very young age. He moved to Chicago,
raised my dad as a White Sox fan. I was raised a White Sox fan. My brother was raised a White
Sox fan. So, uh, it, it has forever been, uh, just kind of the, the family business, rooting
for the Chicago White Sox and Um, I, I still think I was a little too young to really
appreciate 2005. Um, I remember kind of the excitement of that season, but I was asleep
during the World Series, pretty much every time the White Sox were playing. So I assumed,
you know, oh, they'll be back, like, this will be fun. This is not a big deal, and, um, you
know, I long for those days when the White Sox are playing meaningful games in October ever
since. Yeah, I feel like I feel you on that, you know, that childhood thing of this will
never end, and then, you know, obviously I, I live in the Yankees dynasty, uh, there's a lot.
I mean, a dynasty is more than one, so I get it. I get it, I get it. But um, yeah, it was
that thing of like this is every. And it's great. I love my favorite annual tradition of
being in the World Series and then you get to adulthood and you're like, this is actually
hard, um, you know, it's harder for some fan bases than others, but it was that thing of
like, 1 now would be so special, and 4 when I was a kid, I was just like, yeah, every year
this happens and it's delightful. Um, but you've got, yeah, you, you've got a little bit
of hope now, I would say. Um, coming off of last year, there's never been, uh, you know,
never been a tougher year to be a White Sox fan, arguably, but there are plenty of reasons
to believe in the, in both the short and long term. So like, you're talking about the current
White Sox, what is sort of giving you that hope, you know, what are you hanging your hat
on the most that you've seen so far this year at either the major or minor league level? Yeah,
so I think there's two things that stand out to White Sox fans right now as being, um, our
beacons of light, uh, and our hope for the future. And number one is the young pitching,
uh, that the White Sox have within the organization. You just look at the Major League
level right now and there's Davis Martin and Sean Burke and Jonathan Cannon. Shane Smith
comes out of nowhere as a Rule 5 draft pick that now looks like a potential All-Star and
front line starter for them. That's 4. Guys right there, all of them are under club control
through 2030. So, the White Sox have starting pitching for days and they're going to have it
for the foreseeable future. And then you look into the minor leagues, they have the two
highest rated left-handed pitching prospects in all of baseball with Hagan Smith and Noah
Schultz. There's, uh, you know, another group of young, exciting arms that are a little bit
underrated, unfortunately. For the Sox, they lost a lot of those guys to injury this year,
but Drew Thorpe was a really attractive arm that they got back in the Dillon Sea trade from
San Diego that looked really good. Once he debuted, had kind of tapered off towards the
end of his rookie season before going down with Tommy John surgery, Mason Adams, uh, you
know, Aldrin Batista. There, there's a lot of names in the White Sox organization. Um, and
that really started once they brought in Brian Banister as sort of their special advisor for
pitching. He has redefined their process. He's added a changeup to Davis Martin and to Sean
Burke and advanced their analytics profiles to now be legitimate major leaguers. So, if you're
Sox fan, the, the position players, the lineup , the hitters, all very concerning, but this
team can pitch and it's what has kind of made them look more competitive in the games they've
played in 2025. If you're going beyond the roster a little bit, Adam, I think White Sox
fans are Excited about a potential change in ownership that could be lined up with the ISPa
brothers kind of having ownership stake now. Nobody owns more of the Chicago White Sox than
Matt and Justin Ishbia right now. Now, Jerry Reinsdorf is still the controlling owner, but
if you look at the ISAs at their net worth, it's a Steve Cohen type of ownership group that
could be coming into the White Sox within the next few years. Um, and that is what we're all
crossing our fingers for because this team needs to spend money. Every winning
team has one common link between them and it's like it's, it's, I mean like it's the pitching
program that you mentioned too, like teams invest that overflowing capital in developing
the things behind the scenes that some fans don't notice until it's too late in the moments
upon us like and oh wait, the White Sox actually have this budding rotation under
banister, but the connective tissue is that you don't need to blow. The doors off. You
don't have to be the Mets. You don't necessarily have to be Steve Cohen, but you
have to be willing. You can't say you're flexible like the Pirates and never offer a
deal higher than 3 years and $40 million to Francisco Lariano. You're right, you need that
pipeline, uh, financially and in terms of, you know, the, the prospects that you've got
budding, and that marriage might be closer than a lot of fans who are only familiar with
last year's White Sox realize. Yeah, I mean, that ultimately is what what White Sox fans,
it's in the back of their mind, right? as optimistic as Sox fans want to be about this
young budding pitching staff and, you know, Braden Montgomery in the minor leagues, and um
I, I see we've got some comments asking for Jay Sla Violette, like, what is to come for the
White Sox in terms of prospect development? There's a lot of exciting things. But we've
been here before as the White Sox. We've done this rebuild. We've had 10 of the top 100
prospects at one time and brought them all up and failed the supplement, and it, and it
sputtered out after one or two playoff appearances. So, you don't want to get back
into that spot where the moment has. Passed you by and you look up and you realize you're
at the cusp of another rebuild. You have to do what, uh, as you mentioned, Steve Cohen and
some of the better owners in baseball are doing, which is being willing to supplement
your core with the necessary financial investment. I am glad you brought up that last
White Sox core too, because, I mean, baseball moves so fast. The prevailing White Sox
narrative has been that record setting loss total last year, but it was not long ago that
it was Eloy and Tim Anderson and and Luis Robert and the whole crew and Carl. Rod on, uh,
my new friend, but yeah, I do think every time you do a great job on the site and everyone who
does not read South Side Showdown should, but you do a great job reminding White Sox fans of
that Coors current, you know, activity, which is, it's, it's wild to think that Elo is in AAA
with the Durham Bulls and Tim Anderson. Yeah, I mean, it's shocking, right? Like you, White
Sox fans felt like they blinked and Tim Anderson went from being a perennial batting
title contender and being 15 to 20 home run power every year to not being able to hit the
ball out of the ballpark and his average sinking down to 240. Joan Moncada. It was the
same song and dance every year, and you were just waiting, bracing for injury. Uh, Lord
knows what happened to Eloy Jimenez. Eloy Jimenez, you, we felt like would be able to
fall into 30 home runs every season just because of his light tower power that he was
bringing to the ballpark. And Towards the back end of his stint with the White Sox. Not only
was he not hitting and not staying healthy, he wasn't driving the baseball in the air. It, it
was sort of inexplicable how quickly it all unraveled, and that is kind of What
traumatizes these organizations moving forward despite optimistic futures, is that if you
don't do it correctly and you don't draft correctly and you don't spend when you're at
the top of the mountain, your time up there is going to be so, so, so short. 2021, the White
Sox go 93-69, and they go 93 and 69, missing Luis Robert Jr. for over half the season,
missing Eloy Jimenez for over half the season. They had Jake Lamb and Brian Goodwin. Taking
regular at bats in their lineup. And somehow they had positive vibes and a good enough core
to still be the AL Central runaway winners. Three years later, they're the worst team in
the history of baseball. I don't understand how you got there, how they let it get there.
And, and so I think anybody, Pirates fans know this, Rockies fans know this right now. Like,
you're hesitant to get into bed with this ownership group in this front office again when
they haven't given us reason to believe that they're going to really go all in when it's
time. Yeah, um, one final lingering White Sox question. I just, I wonder, and you mentioned
that, hey, it's a, it's a family thing and it's something you can't get out of really.
Like if you're a White Sox fan in Chicago, it's generation to generation. It's it it's a
life that shows you. Yeah, but this, that that 2021 team not long ago, like the
vibes were quite high and I, as sort of an outsider, struggled to perceive what it was
like to have the vibes that high with the White Sox and the Cubs the way they were and
how Chicago handled both going out of the same . The Cubs receding at that point and the White
Sox being supreme between the two teams. Do you view, like, how can Chicago be a White Sox
town? Is it a White Sox town and do, is there just sort of a rev share model for the two
teams when they're both going well? Look, both teams are gonna go well, Chicago is always
going to Have Cubs pride more than it has White Sox pride flying through it, right? Like
it's what, 75, 25, 70/30 split on fandom. Um, and it was very hard for White Sox
fans to watch the Cubs win a World Series and be perennial contenders while we were in the
middle of a rebuild. But what I think 2021 showed the White Sox and showed the rest of
baseball is that The White Sox fan base is one of the most passionate and rowdy fan bases in
in the entire league when there is a winning product on the field. Uh, I, I don't think
Chicago is a Sox town in numbers, but I think it is in spirit, and when you look at
What the White Sox represent for many Chicagoans and what White Sox fans are, it is
the, the blood and the just Chicago to its core. It is blue collar, it is
hardworking, it is the overlooked. It is the, the second team, right? The second city second
team as as the White Sox are often known. Chicago doesn't get the media coverage of LA or
New York, and I think Chicago. gu an s are resentful of that. The White Sox get even less
media coverage than their, their, uh, crosstown rivals with the Cubs. And I think
White Sox fans are resentful from that. And there is a little bit of Little Brother that
exists. But Little Brother's got some fight. Little Brother is pesky, and when the White Sox
are rolling, White Sox fans are loud and they let you hear it. So, if you've seen the clips
of that blackout game, that is, that is the Core, that is the spirit of what a Chicago
sports fan looks like and how do we get back there? It's a winning baseball team. Like White
Sox fans will show up for this team. I don't want to hear about the new stadium. I don't
want to hear about where it's located. All of that stuff is fun and exciting. They will go to
35th and Shields. They will go to Bridgeport. They will show up to the most generic ballpark
in the entire league if you put a winner on the field, because that is how much White Sox
fans care. I am excited to continue following this team's journey with you and, and reading
your coverage too and working alongside you on this stuff because I find this fan base
fascinating. I will say the most generic ballpark in baseball is in Washington DC and
that will never be, maybe never bet, but we are, yeah, we're certainly close, um, yeah, I,
I am excited for for this next generation of the White Sox, and not just because I was a
huge Kyle Teel fan out of the draft. I'm excited for for the whole thing. Yeah, I mean,
the, I'm hopeful that it doesn't take as long as the White Sox are sort of making you think
it is. You're right, when they hired Chris Getz, they had said the reason they were hiring
Chris Getz is cause they didn't want it to be a long-term rebuild, and then they proceeded to
go 41 and 121. Um, but hopefully, with Edgar Caro and Chase Myroth and now Tim
Elko called up and the young core of starting pitchers, hopefully your guy Kyle T. is, is not
that far away and can, uh, you know, be in on the south side before long. I'm hoping that
it's not that far and that we can finally have White Sox fans have something to be excited
about again and um that'll be reflected in everything over at South Side Showdown. I think
we are getting closer and I so appreciate the window into what's going on, and I think our
commenters did as well because we got some White Sox fans showing up today. Uh, let's go
with a couple of the quick hits big news from the week that needs to be broken down. Uh, yeah,
we will get to the one that you're thinking about, but I do want to start with uh as large
a scope as you can get really. Team USA and the way that the World Baseball Classic is
coming together for 2026. Uh. Team USA made it to the, uh, they, they got all the way to the
final, they got all the way to the iconic at-bat against Jo Herotane with Mike Trout last
time around. They fell short. Uh, many reasons . Japan is an extremely strong team. It comes as
no surprise. If you told someone before the tournament, that's who won, that person would
shrug. So we're not really talking about an upset or USA blew it, but the lineup for Team
USA fantastic, the pitching staff. A bunch of cardinals, a bunch of old Cardinals, and not
the ones that just chose the White Sox fans. Yeah, no, not the good ones. Adam Wainwright,
Lance Lynn, Miles Michaelis, uh, Meryl Kelly was in there, Brady Singer was in there. I
looked at a roster and Nestor Cortez is listed . I went to the World Baseball Classic. I root
for the Yankees. I don't remember him. I don't think he made it all the way to the World
Baseball Classic, but apparently he was a part of the initial pool. Still not gonna cut it. So
far we have. Judge committed on offense to be the new Captain America. David Wright said it's
OK to call him that, so I will. Uh, but Paul Skeens yesterday changed the whole calculus for
me in committing and as someone who attended the Air Force Academy, as someone who I learned
this week, wants to serve after his baseball career is over, it's really no surprise that
he's as enthusiastic as he has been, but this is the biggest. Turning the tides. Aaron Judge
is one thing, a great face for the roster. They've always had offensive talent. They have
never had Paul Skenes and potentially those who want to follow in Paul Skenes' footsteps. I
know Tara Scoble said he wants to do it too. Whether the Tigers will let him without an
extension is another thing, but how big a deal is it to you that that team music has finally
turned the corner in their biggest weak spot heading into next year's tournament? Yeah, I
think it's huge, like unironically huge, right ? I, I think it's easy for baseball fans to roll
their eyes at the idea of uh the World Baseball Classic, who cares when we're in the
middle of the baseball season competing for a World Series right now. Um, but the World
Baseball Classic was So much bigger than I think a lot of people anticipated the last time
that we saw it come around. It was so much more fun for the baseball community and I think
got a lot of eyes, not just from diehard baseball fans, but from baseball curious people
in the United States that were trying to watch some of the top stars. Uh, headliners are huge,
and as you said, people follow in other footsteps. If Aaron Judge is on this roster, if
Paul Skenes is on this roster, well, I expect to Corbin Carroll and Petro Armstrong and,
you know, Cal Riley on this roster and I think Terry Skubel and Garrett Crochet and Hunter
Brown and Max Freed, all of those names are now in play and you could end up with a truly
star-studded best player in baseball kind of roster for Team USA which should put them in a
position to once again compete for the World Baseball Classic title and hopefully converts a
lot of people to the excitement that exists in baseball. Yeah, I absolutely know someone whose
passion for baseball was ignited by the intensity of that tournament. Like, yeah, you
and I care about the World Series and the daily grind and the 162, but for some people
that is baseball to them, and it's very exciting to have these big names in. You can
watch new players too that are like, oh, that guy looked fun, that guy that's on. Uh, you
know, Team Mexico, and then you say, oh, that guy Jared Duran, yeah, he's a Boston Red Sox.
And then all of a sudden, you like, you've got investment into that player and into a team and
um that is what baseball needs more of. It is more of these types of events that get national.
Eyes on them and, you know, where you can show off the best that baseball has to offer. For
what everybody likes to say is a dying sport, I think there's a really fun youth movement in
baseball right now that if it's marketed appropriately, uh, it can be really good for
the sport moving forward. Unequivocally, and I'm excited for the next tournament. I, I had
fun in Miami. I will probably try to go again. Uh, that youth movement is manifesting a little
bit in the AL Central in the way that the Detroit Tigers are constructed. I hate to pivot
to the Tigers briefly, but, uh, they are, they have the best record in the American League,
and uh they had a huge win last night with Jay Valez leading the way with 2-3 in home runs
against the Boston Red Sox. So maybe that was enough of a rebuke for Detroit towards Alex
Bregman and his free agency decision. Like the Jay Hors speak for themselves, the Red Sox
bullpen meltdowns speak for themselves. But this is Bregman's first series in Detroit since
waiting all offseason to choose a pretty sizable chunky one year with an opt-out
afterwards from the Boston Red Sox. Uh, so he got what he wanted and Alex Cora got what he
wanted, but there was A sizable Tigers offer out there for a very long time that he chose
not to commit to and he wanted the only one year of security in Boston with the familiarity
of Cora, his, his old bench coach. He said this week that signing with the Red Sox was,
quote, not a diss of Detroit, but the Detroit fans have booed him anyway, and I wonder, look,
I'm, I'm not surprised that he chose Boston and the Green Monster and Fenway Park, but It
was a little bit of a distant Detroit hanging out on that, you know, lingering on that offer
for two months and then just going to Boston anyway when you could have done that from the
jump, wasn't it? Yeah, it's, it's disrespectful for sure. I mean, this is very
clear. Alex Bregman did not want to be a Detroit Tiger. It was, uh, you know, a fine
plan B for him, I'm sure, but certainly not what he wanted. Otherwise, he would be a
Detroit Tiger. This is, you know, Tayla's oldest time, you see, like, somebody hits you
up on a Friday night, they want to make plans with you. They say, are you free? Maybe you
just don't respond to the text for a little bit. You're, uh, I'd like to maybe find
something else that, you know, do I have any better offers out there? Do I have anything
else that sounds a little bit more fun? If not , sure, we can hang out, but that's what Alex
Bregman did to the Detroit Tigers. So, Tigers fans boo away as far as I'm concerned, right?
Like, I'd boo Alex Bregman anyway, don't give up the 2017 thing. We haven't Forgotten. But
also, uh, yeah, I mean, a guy who clearly didn't want to be a part of what you had going
on. AJ Hinch had a famous quote a few years ago of, you know, if you want to come here,
come here, you'll be here. And if not, we'll beat you, right? And I think Detroit, the
Tigers, Tigers fans embrace that mentality. Uh , you know, if you don't want to be a Tiger,
that's fine. We'll have fun knocking you out of the playoffs. Yeah, Bregman was sitting on
that text from the Tigers for like 2 months, and then he finally wrote back and they're like,
Dude, Friday was 2 months ago. Yeah, yeah, we can't go out. That's over. Uh, yeah, I 100%
agree with you and, and no shame and like the comments are saying, he knows what he can do at
Fenway Park. He wanted that to be his home ballpark for 81 games. I don't blame Alex
Bregman at all. I don't blame. I would rather play for the Red Sox than the Tigers too. I've
been to Fenway Park and I was, uh, enthralled with the magic that was in that. It's a fun
place to play, big market, Fenway Park, good for the numbers, get paid more. But if you're
the Tigers, yeah, chip on the shoulder. Why not? Yeah, a franchise that exists with an
eternal chip on its shoulder. Um, all right, here's the Whopper. We got to do it. It's, it's,
honestly, is it fun to do? I can't believe Rob Manford did this to us again, but, uh, White
Sox icon Shoeless Joe Jackson, now eligible for the Baseball Hall of Fame, passed away as
part of the blanket policy to remove these folks. Who've passed from the ineligible list.
He is now off the permanently ineligible list. So is Pete Rose, a figure who wanted to go to
the Hall of Fame desperately during his lifetime, was not elected or or placed on a
ballot or put up for election, and now Rob Manfred is essentially saying the investigative
work of the past. Anyone who worked to, you know, craft this ineligible list in the first
place, once someone is deceased, they're no longer a threat to the integrity of the game,
Rob Manfred said, which Yeah, certainly no deceased person has ever interacted with an
affected present morals or like that's never happened, so why would it happen here? Um, in
At the base level, um, I do feel as if Rob Manford could say what he wants about not
putting pressure on and just having this be an independent decision, but this does feel maybe
to me fated to be as as soon as they are able to get in, they maybe will be. They'll probably
be on these era committees where all they need is 75% of like 16 crusty old baseball writers
and retired players. Um, but curious as to your thoughts, I guess, on both, if you think
it will happen and why now? Why now is, I, I'm not sure, right? Like the, I, I
agree with you. I don't think this is like an independent Rob Manfred decision. I maybe the,
the, now's the noise got loud enough, maybe the, uh, you know, the harm was. You know,
minimal, as he said, I guess, with, with Rose and Jackson now being passed away. It's a real
shame in my opinion, because I, I have believed that Pete Rose and shoeless Joe
Jackson have belonged in the Hall of Fame for years now, um, just based on how I define the
Hall of Fame and what I think belongs in Cooperstown, and I think we should celebrate
all of the, the best and the worst of baseball in Cooperstown. And so we can celebrate Pete
Rose. We can celebrate the great player that he was and the all-time hits leader in Major
League Baseball, while also acknowledging what he He did wrong. That was sort of a black eye
for the game at the time, and we can have both of those things documented in Cooperstown. So
it's a shame to me that this didn't happen while Pete Rose was alive and able to
experience it as he wanted. But I do think they will both get in now that they're eligible,
um. You know, if we're able to do the whole veterans committee thing and go back and put
Harold Baines on the Hall of Fame and people that don't actually belong in the Hall of Fame,
sorry, White Sox fans, um, yeah, Pete Rose should be in Shoeless Joe Jackson should be in.
Yeah, and I'm glad that you said Harold Baines' name and not mine. I am a, I'm a big
hall guy. Like I don't mind Baines being in Dick Allen was just, just let the let the
deserving players in instead of letting them that get blocked by these sort of middling
compilers or whatnot. Lou Whittaker next maybe Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, like. Uh, your
definition of a Hall of Fame, I assume that you are a steroid era guy, steroid. I want all
the steroid guys in, yeah, I do too. And if he's the, I'm sorry, he's the greatest hitter
ever, greatest player ever to ever live as good as baseball has ever seen. You can't
pretend like the guy just doesn't exist, like we can't do that. And you're not putting them
in the hall, spoiler alert for the baseball writers and those who run the Hall of Fame.
That's not going to prevent dads from taking their kids to the Hall of Fame and going, hey,
you know who is really awesome? Barry Bonds, the guy. Yeah, right. We, we acknowledge all
the games that those guys played in. We acknowledge all the accomplishments that those
guys earned as far as awards and, you know, and whatnot, but can't put them in the Hall of
Fame. It'll, it'll ruin the museum. Yeah, yeah , I am, I am with you, and if anybody wants to
weigh in differently and feel differently in the comments, we are, we are here for you. You
can come find us. Subscribe to the show, subscribe on YouTube, uh, find us retroactively
on podcast platforms. Weigh in, let us know. I do think that they are probably both getting in
when the curtain raises, whenever that may be, whatever errors committee they're a part of. I
think we're probably gonna have to see what it's like to see a Hall of Fame ceremony
honoring Pete Rose without Pete Rose present. It only gets weirder from here. Yeah. Yeah,
don't wanna, don't want to be the person that has to do that. No, no, guess what, I won't be
in Coopertown that day. I have chosen to opt out. Yeah, I think I have a, I'm gonna respond
to a Friday night text from several months ago on that day and be like, now I'm free. I can't
make it. Um, OK, let's wrap with a fun one. Sam, you, uh, we're on the last season of
Survivor, season 47, uh, season 48, getting into the home stretch now, and, uh, I can't
make heads or tails of it. So in terms of like my prediction and my winner pick, I'm lost. I'm
lost in the sauce. I think like I'm a Kyle guy at this point in time, but I really don't know.
Um, do you have a season 48 winner pick? And if so, which MLB player are they most
like? So I do, I, I, I go back and forth between Kyle and Camilla. If you're watching
the show, you know that, you know, they're little dynamic duo, right? I think one of them
is gonna end up pulling it out. Camilla, to me , Let's put it in baseball terms. I think
Camilla is a little bit of Corbin Carroll. Corbin Carroll is my pick for Camilla, right? A
little bit undervalued cause, uh, you know, she's not super prominent in the edit or the
media. She's not part of the majority alliance , which would be a big market team. We know what
Camilla does very well. She seems very strategic and pretty social, and there's always
value in that, like Corbin Carroll's defense and baserunning. But when she's winning
immunity challenges and adds physicality to her game, Camilla becomes the most dangerous
player out there. That is Corbin Carroll when he is slugging and having some offensive
production. She's the people's favorite, you know, we know that, uh, you know, the writers
and the baseball fans, they don't want to go see Shohe Otani win another. The MVP award.
They don't want to see the, the status quo not be changed at all. And this jury might not want
to see, uh, Joe and the same old people make it to the end and steamroll their way. So
Camilla, the people's favorite with a strong finish, uh, could get all of the support behind
her and end up being the winner. I love the pick. I love the pick so much. I'm gonna get
out of my seat with the jury and salute it silently, staring dead ahead at it for 2
seconds for whatever reason. Uh, Sam Phelan, thank you so much for joining me on the
Baseball Insiders. It was a pleasure. Uh, where can the people find you? Anything else
you'd like to plug? Yeah, at sam_halin, you see the uh the tag right there on Twitter. X.
I'm tweeting Survivor stuff there, tweeting some baseball opinions out there. And then go
check out South Side Showdown for all the White Sox coverage. We are churning out stuff
on a daily basis, multiple things coming out every day, positive, negative, and everywhere
in between on the Chicago White Sox. So, 6 and 6 in the month of May, by the way, for the
White Sox. Maybe not terrible anymore. We'll see. Uh, but go. Check it out and read
everything about the socks over at South Sideshowdown.com. And Miguel Vargas going yikey
yesterday. So things are looking up. Sorry to our Cincinnati Reds fans on the stream. Uh,
thank you everyone for joining us. Uh, again, we'll be back here at 3:30 Eastern on Friday
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